O dólar como moeda internacional e a crise da Síria

[MdKBooM]

Dois textos interessantes que eu gostaria de discutir, principalmente com os economistas da DS.

O primeiro trata do cenário de fim do poderio do dólar na visão de um americano e o segundo trata de fato novo, a crise da Síria e seu impacto no preço do petróleo.

Sendo assim, pergunto: a crise e possível intervenção na Síria tem o propósito de sustentar o poderio do dólar?

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The Dying Dollar and the Rise of a New Currency Order

For years now, the collapse of the dollar has been in the cards. Recent developments show mounting pressure on the dollar’s reserve currency status. With a major international deflation going on, the threat of inflation through money printing is unreal. However, should the dollar’s reserve currency status end, the repatriation of trillions of petro- and eurodollars could lead to a strongly inflationary scenario.

The roles of a reserve currency are to finance international trade and to function as a store of value for Governments. Until the second world war it used to be the British pound, but with the demise of the British Empire, the pound lost its international relevance and was overtaken by the dollar. This was formalized in the 1944 Bretton Woods system. All other currencies were fiat currencies, but pegged to the dollar, which in turn was pegged to Gold at 40 dollars an ounce and redeemable for international trading partners.

The Eurodollar
With the dollar as the reserve currency, the US had to export dollars. In the early years after the war especially for Europe, the famous Eurodollars. This sounds great: print money and buy whatever you like. But with the Gold window it was also risky: overprinting could mean excess dollars would be exchanged back to Gold, depleting US Gold reserves.

This was also a weakness that those annoyed with American Hegemony could exploit. In 1967 the leftist press mogul Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber penned a famous screed called ‘le défi Américain’ (the American challenge’), arguing Europe was being colonized economically by superior American competition.

France, at the time, was run by de Gaulle, who never was impressed with Anglo-American supremacy. He made a point of exchanging every dollar he could lay his hands on as a means to undermine it.

In the late sixties the situation got badly out of hand because of the Great Society and the Vietnam war, very costly projects that were deficit financed, leading to serious inflationary pressures. Inflation that the US tried to export, leading to an excess of dollars abroad. Especially the resurging Deutschmark’s appreciation became untenable. The Europeans started pressuring the US to fix its deficits, provoking the US Treasury Secretary John Connally famous cry ‘the dollar is our currency and your problem’.

But the situation had become unsustainable and Nixon was forced to close the Gold window to stop the depletion of US gold. This was the end of the Bretton Woods system and from then on the major currencies were floated freely in the international currency markets.

The Petrodollar
But it did not end the dollar reserve currency status, as the Empire had been found another basis for it: they reached an agreement with the House of Saud, to accept only dollars for its oil. The Sauds agreed to invest their dollar wealth on Wall Street, making the deal even more powerful for the Empire. Saudi Arabia controlled OPEC and the dollar was saved: international oil trading is financed with dollar only. Since then we have been on an informal Black Gold standard, known as the petrodollar.

This situation was better than before, because overprinting of the dollar for international trade or to finance all sorts Empire projects could no longer be punished by depleting Gold reserves and would result only in rising prices.

In the last decade the problem of over printing was solved by artificially raising oil prices through the Peak Oil hoax, and ending Iraqi oil production. It must be understood that the Empire is not looking for more oil production. There is so much oil in the world that should it be drilled for freely, it would end the Money Power’s energy monopoly. The Iraq invasion and the quest for control of the Middle-East is to keep a lid on oil production. Saddam’s suicidal decision to accept euro for his oil only hastened his demise.

Even today Iraqi oil production is not even half of what it was before 1991. With the Western Oil companies now in charge, it will most likely never fully recover.
By raising the price for oil, the oil market has mopped up excess dollar supplies, which are now needed for the oil trade. As a result, the dollar has remained relatively stable in its value. Of course, it fits well with the agenda of decapitating the middle classes and under this agreement higher oil prices also means ever more oil profits invested in Wall Street.

Of course, the great boon of this for the Empire is that it can pay with worthless paper for real goods. It can eternally finance a major trade deficit.

Trade deficits are incorrectly understood as problematic.
From a nation’s point of view, the goal of trade is not to export, but to import. We export to give back for what we need from others. If you run the reserve currency, you don’t need to export as much as you import, because you can partially finance your imports with money printing. For all other nations this is impossible and trade deficits are lethal in the long run, as it leads to net capital outflow.

But the US Empire is in trouble. Its infrastructure is crumbling, its manufacturing base gone, it’s badly over extended. It needs ever more virulent threats to coerce the nations into dollar submission and just like Connally failed in 1971, the US is failing today. The Money Power is done with the Empire and the dollar and it is moving to the next phase. The dollar will have to step back and we are seeing a realignment.

The new currency order
China is moving towards a Gold backed yuan that will be very powerful in the international arena. Recently Australia, which is already completely dependent on China, with 30% of its exports going there, is preparing direct convertibility between the yuan and the Australian dollar, meaning they will no longer use US dollar to finance bilateral trade. This means less US dollars are needed in its reserve currency role.

In 2001 Goldman Sachs executive Jim O’Neill invented the BRIC’s. South Africa was later added, representing Africa and emphasizing its globalist agenda. Russia and China, as two powerful neighbors, obviously have long standing and important bilateral relations. But equally obviously, have little in common with Brazil, India and South Africa. India and China are actually sworn enemies. However, in 2009 they organized a first summit. Just a week ago we all of the sudden hear the BRICS are planning to open up a competitor to the IMF. They’re still working out the details and it’s not a done deal yet, but the move looks very serious.

And there is of course the euro, which, make no mistake, is in great shape. True, Eurocrat legitimacy is suffering because of the euro crisis, even in Germany the currency is losing support. But the euro crisis is purely for internal consumption, to sucker the nations into surrendering budget responsibility to Brussels. This is the final frontier for a full blown EU federalist Super State. While the euro is deeply hated, this is not really a problem for the Money Power: it isn’t in this business to make friends and it does not mind a big fight. It only fears real alternatives and these are nowhere to be seen. There is nobody proposing anything real, people are just letting off steam. Once they get their fiscal union, the crisis will quickly end. People have a short memory.

The euro was designed to be eventually backed by Gold and the ECB has enough of the stuff to be ready for the coming transition.

Conclusion
We are seeing the advent of the new currency order. There will be a number of more or less equal blocks: a dollar zone, a Yuan/BRICS zone and the euro, with the Yen and the Pound as lesser entities. These will later be able to converge to even more ‘cooperation’, in the Money Power’s relentless march towards World Currency.

These units will be at least partially Gold backed, implying long term deflationary pressures. Central Banks are buying Gold in major quantities, creating the interesting question why Gold prices have not risen in the last 18 months.

The problem for the United States will be to manage the transition. Trillions of dollars that will no longer be needed will have to be repatriated and this will lead to very strong inflationary pressures at home. It is unclear how the Fed is going to deal with that. It probably can’t. Furthermore, the US is probably in the worst of positions to deal with a new Gold standard. They claim to have 8,000 tonnes of Gold in Fort Knox, but nobody really believes that.

The hyperinflation scare that the Austrians have been promoting because of ‘money printing’ is ridiculous: we are in a stagflationary depression and prices are rising because of speculation, not because of excess money. But when the dollar loses its current status, long term price rises will become the norm.

The Greatest Depression has only just started.

Afterthought
Here’s a highly recommended post by Roberts, the Assault on Gold. It makes a plausible case for massive Fed bullion busting. As discussed in ‘why is Gold not Rising?‘, the ascent of Gold was a carefully orchestrated operation, but it probably got out of hand in 2011. Since then the Fed has been very active on COMEX again. With CB’s and market players buying massive amounts, it’s the only logical explanation for stalling bullion. The fall of COMEX and the fall of the Dollar are basically an evil twin, they will happen simultaneously and because of each other.

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/...-dying-dollar/

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Factbox: Why small producer Syria matters to oil markets

(Reuters) - Oil prices rose to a six-month high on Tuesday as Western powers readied a military strike against Syria, and traders and analysts cited concerns over stability in the Middle East.

Below are facts about Syria's energy sector and why developments there matter to global oil markets.

SYRIA'S OIL AND GAS SECTOR

* Syria has not exported any oil since late 2011, when international sanctions came into force.

* "Syria is not a major oil producer (as was Libya), nor is it a major transit point for oil and gas exports (as is Egypt)," said Julian Jessop, head of commodities research at Capital Economics.

"Instead the concern is the risk that Western intervention in Syria could prompt a wider regional conflict, given the support that Iran has provided to the regime of (President Bashar al-) Assad," he added.

* Prior to the sanctions Syria produced 370,000 barrels per day (bpd), roughly 0.4 percent of global supplies, and exported less than 150,000 bpd, mainly to Europe. The major oil companies working there before the sanctions were Royal Dutch Shell and Total.

* Syria's current production is estimated at just 50,000 bpd, all of which is refined domestically.

* It is short of oil products and is forced to import them from abroad. Sales of oil products to Syria are still allowed, although most traders have refrained from doing business there. It has been forced to resort to help from strategic ally Iran.

POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OTHER COUNTRIES

* A move against Syria could have an impact on Western efforts to pressure Tehran over its nuclear program, after trade sanctions have cut Iran's oil exports by half over the past two years. It still supplies around 1 million bpd to Asian markets and Turkey.

"With a U.S. strike on Syria, making some rapid progress on the Iranian nuclear files will be more difficult, and (Iranian President Hassan) Rouhani will not have been given the opportunity to try a different route," said Olivier Jakob from oil consultancy Petromatrix.

* The security situation in Iraq, currently OPEC's second largest producer, has significantly deteriorated because of Syria, said Helima Croft, an analyst at Barclays.

"Syria has deepened Iraq's sectarian fault lines, with Prime Minister Maliki's mainly Shiite government widely seen as siding with the Assad regime and Iraq's Sunni opposition leaders with the Syrian rebels," she said.

* A Syrian war also has the potential to further exacerbate tensions in large producing countries with significant Shiite populations such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Croft said.

* Complicating the standoff is the involvement of other major players including support from major oil producer Russia for Assad's government.

"Syria has been at the front of a proxy war between regional powers, and siding with one party or the other in Syria is effectively getting drawn into this proxy war between Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait," Amrita Sen, from consultancy Energy Aspects, said.

* Petromatrix's Jakob added that Syria could pose a risk to the shipment of crudes out of Iraq and Azerbaijan.

"The Bay of Iskenderun, in Turkey off a few miles from the border with Syria, is a major export route for crude oil out of Iraq and Azerbaijan," he said.

He estimated oil flows running through the bay at 1.2 million bpd or over 1 percent of global supply.

(Reporting by Dmitry Zhdannikov in Moscow and Christopher Johnson in London; editing by Jason Neely and Jane Baird)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97Q0JW20130827

[Blazed]

A estratégia do cara só falhou quando todo mundo cansou de mandar gente pra fora, mas é, pela primeira vez o pais no vermelho forte... Querendo, ou não, a guerra mantinha trilhões rodando, gente empregada, pesquisa de ponta, agora isso tudo precisou ser canalizado e não foi direito.

All hail The teacher!

 

[EviLBraiN]

Li os dois textos. Mas não sou economista. também gostaria de ouvir opiniões sobre.

UP

[mrfire]

(1)

[Mordred_X]

PQ CES QUEREM ECONOMISTA?

[Bombastic]

Espero que o dollar continue uma moeda MUITO forte
para o brasil, é fundamental imho

[MdKBooM]

Por quê?

[Bombastic]

exportação/proximidade economica

[SsjGohan]

Não li nenhum texto pq sou analfabeto nos ESTADOS UNIDOS DA AMERICA
Mas, pela simples pergunta feita eu diria:

Os EUA estão no vermelho a MUITOS anos.
É o pais mais endividado do MUNDO
As empresas deles ainda estão em todo o planeta e enviam anualmente DINHEIRO para o pais de origem, embora exista uma tendencia dessas empresas serem "compradas" por estrangeiros ou mesmo mudar sua nacionalidade fugindo de impostos, os EUA ainda assim detem grande parte dos lucros.
A guerra em si sempre foi lucrativa para os EUA, pq eles POSSUEM uma indústria de armas. Eles precisam q essa indústria continue girando capital. Não podem depender apenas de indústrias militares, pq os próprios militares compram componentes de indústrias civis.

Uma coisa é produzir um missil, outra é produzir uniformes e canetas com o simbolo do exército, e isso gera MUITA RENDA.

O problema real dos EUA é sua rede bancária, q é independente do governo.
Aqui cabe uma boa discussão tem gente q é a favor e tem gente q é contra.
Eu sou contra, acho o sistema bancário brasileiro mil vezes superior ao americano.

[EviLBraiN]

Postado por Mordred_X

PQ CES QUEREM ECONOMISTA?

Pq advogado é tudo viado. E geralmente tem voz fina. Vide nigthwolf.

E médico é tudo imperialista, mercantilista e neocolonialista. E nem sempre tem voz fina, mas as vezes tem. Vide patrick.

[Mordred_X]

Um economista de voz grossa, então.

[Eon]

Tornar uma moeda qualquer de aceitação geral no mundo não é algo tão simples quando apontar um canhão na cara de alguém e dizer "aceite ou eu aperto o gatilho". Se fosse assim seria mais simples roubar do que oferecer papel como pagamento.

A questão é que a aceitação geral da moeda em todos os lugares depende da reputação que o emissor da moeda tem em honrar seus compromissos. A moeda é fiduciária, isto é, ela só vale alguma coisa enquanto as pessoas acreditarem nisso.

Uma única nota de dólar representa uma fração infinitesimal de tudo o que pode ser comprado com dólares, ou seja, toda vez que você aceita uma nota dessas é como se você adquirisse o título de um clube onde todos os participantes combinam trocar produtos entre si usando uma mesma moeda. Se você não tem dólares, então você está fora desse clube. Simples, assim.

Vejam o exemplo do tal do Fora do Eixo, os comunistinhas lá perceberam rapidamente que ter a sua própria moeda tem algumas vantagens e então inventaram o tal do CUBOCARD. Aquilo é papel pintando no mesmíssimo sentido aplicável ao dólar, a diferença só está na reputação (e nas intenções) de quem está por trás da moeda.

Quando um cabeludo mal vestido te oferece um CUBOCARD como pagamento de alguma coisa na verdade é como se ele estivesse fazendo uma proposta:

"Ei, quer fazer parte do meu clube de cabeludos mal vestidos adoradores de Fidel?"

Se você for um sem noção como eles, você aceita, oras. Os americanos tem interesse de manter o dólar como moeda internacional para se beneficiar da senhoriagem (ganho monetário que você tem por estar no topo da cadeia de circulação da moeda) o que requer trabalho de longo prazo para manter o valor da moeda mais ou menos constante com relação ao nível de produto, e os comunistinhas tem interesse de manter o CUBOCARD para dar golpes nas pessoas... porque é só isso que comunistas sabem fazer, oras.

O que nos leva para outro ponto: cada moeda tem a sua razão própria de existir. Real e Dólar são ambas moedas, mas isso não signifique elas tenham a mesma função na política econômica de seus respectivos países.

Enfim, o processo inflacionário pelo qual o dólar passou nos últimos anos NÃO significa necessariamente que o dólar vá deixar de ser a principal moeda internacional. Mesmo com todos os problemas econômicos que os americanos enfrentam simplesmente não passa pela cabeça de alguém não aceitar dólares como pagamento de produtos e serviços. Isso só vai acontecer no dia em que alguém começar a duvidar da capacidade dos EUA de honrar seus compromissos no longo prazo... se isso acontecer não é o dólar que cai, mas sim TODAS AS MOEDAS DO MUNDO!

[Mordred_X]

A César o que é de César.

[DlGuiga]

[Stranger]

Até comecei a escrever aqui mas não vou conseguir explicar tudo. É muita bagunça.
Pelo menos deixarei umas palavras-chave para a sua busca.

Palavras-chave:
Dinheiro do governo federal
Dinheiro do governo estadual
Secretaria de cultura
Fora do eixo
Mídia ninja
Pablo Capilé
Bruno Torturra
Cubo cards
Escravidão
Roubo de cartão de crédito
Apropriação indevida de trabalho
Rompimento de contrato
Calote
Lavagem cerebral
Seita

[MdKBooM]

Stranger, que tal explicar o seu post enigmático?

[Stranger]

Tentei fazer um resuminho aqui mas quando passou de 5 linhas vi que seria mais um tl;dr.

Como diria o ET bilu "Busquem conhecimento".

[ShadoW]

deixa de ser cusao

[Eon]

Só lendo esse texto eu percebi o que me incomodou no texto do começo do tópico. Na verdade o cara tinha chegado na conclusão correta, o dólar vai cair, porém ele chegou lá pelos argumentos errados. Leiam o texto abaixo que faz muito mais sentido.


It's about oil, energy and the global economic system
Intelligence insider: Syria, World War III & the hidden objective


By Doug Hagmann (Bio and Archives) Wednesday, August 28, 2013
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“Pay attention! You are seeing the opening acts to a global war, to World War III. Refer to the information I gave you right after the attacks in Benghazi, specifically to the information contained in ‘Lemmings…at the precipice of WW III’ and you will see that everything I divulged to you was precisely correct.



World War III will begin in Syria, and no one on the planet (and Americans in particular) will be left untouched by what is about to take place. This has been planned for some time, and we are now seeing it happen right in front of us.” Those are the words of a trusted source with deep ties to the intelligence community, before providing more insight into what we might expect as this ‘crisis’ escalates and “Syria explodes.”

As I wrote in that article published on October 8, 2012, “All that is needed now is for a dutiful media to present one image, a video, or some other proof that Assad or someone else is using, or has their hands on, unconventional weapons. This will provide the necessary pretext for the U.S. and NATO, to intervene and ramp up the war against Assad. The UN will assist, and the red line will then have been crossed.” That will be the trigger event for U.S. involvement, and the escalation into a global conflict.



We are now at that critical moment, as the images of the use of chemical weapons are all over the news, and all fingers are pointing to Assad as the culprit. Just as predicted, The Guardian among other media outlets reported that “David Cameron and Barack Obama moved the West closer to military intervention in Syria on Saturday as they agreed that last week’s alleged chemical weapon attacks by the Assad regime had taken the crisis into a new phase that merited a ‘serious response.’” But it’s a lie, a magic show, to keep people’s attention away from something much bigger on the horizon.

Syria through the lens of the Arab Spring & Benghazi
“The entire scenario we are seeing is one big magic act that began long ago, and Syria is just the ‘flash-bang’ diversion of the act, albeit a vital one. To understand how we got here is critically important, as it identifies the larger agenda or the big picture too few are seeing and too many are attempting to hide.

Consider the blatant continuity of agenda that has spanned several American presidential administrations, both Republican and Democrat, Progressive and Conservative. This transcends political parties and the ‘political theater’ that has been designed to keep Americans occupied. Both political parties, however, are unified under a much larger globalist agenda, which explains why the policies of the Bush ‘dynasty’ have been exponentially increased under the Obama ‘regime.’

“Think about it. The anti-Assad ‘rebels’ are losing, they’re in retreat, because the exposure to the arms and weapons running from Benghazi caused the architects of this conflict to lay low for awhile. That gave us some time, but it did not change their objective of overthrowing Assad and taking Syria for the Muslim Brotherhood. The anti-Assad rebels cannot survive without Western assistance. Considering that, what sense would it make for Assad to use chemical weapons, especially as international observers were getting in position to investigate the situation, against rebels in retreat? It makes no sense, unless you understand the larger objective and the ‘big picture.’”

“Okay, so explain the big picture,” I asked my source. “And please do it in a way that I can explain it to my neighbor, or my family, so they too can understand what we’re seeing.” What follows is an uninterrupted monologue from my intelligence insider.

The big picture explained
“Here’s the global picture. When you see it, it will make sense. This is about reshaping the entire power structure of not just the Middle East, but of the world.”

“Remember that the 2001 attacks against the U.S. was the catalyst for our military operations in Afghanistan, and then ostensibly Iraq under George W. Bush, a so-called ‘conservative republican.’ We could have gone into Afghanistan, cleaned up what we needed to, and come home. Instead, while still in Afghanistan, we went into Iraq after convincing the world they had weapons of mass destruction. Remember that George H. W. Bush, also a ‘conservative republican,’ engaged Iraq in ‘Gulf War I’ in 1990. Essentially, we’ve been in Iraq for the last quarter of a century! Why? Think about that.”

“And, we’ve been in Afghanistan for the last dozen years or so. Why? Oil and opium. It’s an ‘international bankers war.’ [Note that a recent report from ‘The Guerrilla Economist lays this out here, excerpted as follows]: “...[L]arge US military bases are on the very path of the purposed [Caspian Sea oil] pipeline. This as well as that some of the proceeds from the lucrative opium trade will find its way back to US banks which will launder the money in order to help fund Unocal in the purposed pipe building project. Win Win.”

“Oh, and by the way, if you mention Iran’s nuclear ambitions, why did we wait so long to really address this and keep Israel from doing so before any action would require a very protracted military campaign? Keep that in the back of your mind.”

“Now here’s another important part of the magic act. After eight years of George Bush, Americans were weary of war. So, a little known man named Barack Hussein Obama was selected to run against John McCain in 2008. Why Obama and not Hillary? Because the real power players needed a man with Muslim Brotherhood connections to accomplish what was needed in the Middle East. Think back to his Cairo speech. Consider that all of his campaign promises to end the wars were not only broken, but the wars and unrest were expanded by his policies, or the policies of those who put him into power.”

“So we’ve stayed in Afghanistan and in Iraq.” Then comes the Arab Spring, which was planned years in advance. It was not some serendipitously spontaneous movement by oppressed people longing for democracy, but a Saudi and Muslim Brotherhood plan to regain control of what was once the Ottoman Empire, this time on steroids. People must think bigger, outside of the confines of the Middle East.”

“As much as I don’t like the thought of saying this, Putin was correct in asking what sense it makes to destabilize the entire Middle East, especially Syria, a client state of Russia. In the context of regional affairs, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Now, we are going to send cruise missiles into Syria… to hit what? Chemical weapons stockpiles stored in densely populated areas? How is this going to help the Syrians? The refugees fleeing from Syria?”

“I’ve told you, and you have written that we are implementing the Saudi agenda across the Middle East. But who is behind the Saudis? It is the international banking cartel, those ‘too big to jail,’ who are behind the Saudis. It’s their war and they’re funding all sides of the conflict. No matter what, they win. But what do they win?”

“Admittedly it’s difficult if not nearly impossible to tell all the players without a scorecard, and even then, the players will change their uniforms to keep everyone confused. But here’s the important part. Syria is a proxy state for Russia, as is Iran. China has interests in Iran as well. If you look at all of the major powers, they all have interests in the Middle East. So who will we, the U.S. ultimately be fighting when Syria explodes? Russia. And what will be the blowback? That’s important to understand, for it is also the objective.”

Blowback
“None of what you are seeing is about fighting terrorism, or about helping the people of Syria. It’s about oil, energy and the global economic system. Conflict exists for the globalists to achieve their objective, and their objective is the implementation of a new economic system that will be a basket of currencies, or SDR (Special Drawing Rights). If you don’t know about SDRs, just equate it to the euro, but on a global scale.”

They will usher this in by striking at the United States much like the U.S. took down the old Soviet Union. They will target our economy through oil, cheap oil, from Saudi Arabia. Remember, Russia is the world’s largest exporter of oil, neck and neck with the Saudis. But, the Saudis’ oil wells have been damaged and their ‘lift costs’ are increasing.”

“So, what we are about to see and experience in a most painful way is the destruction of the U.S. economy, the intentional killing of the U.S. dollar, by having it replaced as the world’s reserve currency, and replaced with a basket of currencies (SDR) that is much easier to control.”

“This is all about the conversion of world’s economic trading mechanism from a U.S. dollar based system to a SDR. The Middle East and Syria is merely the catalyst for is implementation. The ‘flash-bang’ of the magic act. And once this catalytic action is started, we cannot go back. War in the Middle East and particularly Syria is the catalyst that will disrupt transactions and commerce all over the world. And few will see it coming, or know what hit them.”

[MdKBooM]

Na verdade a conclusão foi minha ao ligar os dois textos, qual seja, que os eua precisam do petróleo caro para enxugar o excesso de dólares do mercado e jogar esses dólares em wall street, e que a crise da Síria poderia, indiretamente, fazer o petróleo subir. Pelo visto o seu texto fala exatamente a mesma coisa quando aponta que o mundo quer matar a moeda americana por meio de petróleo barato.

[mrfire]

Ok... em suma os bancos estão fazendo com que E.U.A destrua sua própria economia para colherem frutos no longo médio prazo.

[MdKBooM]

Mrfire, pode explicar como chegou nessa conclusão?

[mrfire]

Postado por MdKBooM

Mrfire, pode explicar como chegou nessa conclusão?

Eu articulei mal, pra não dizer que escrevi errado.

O que eu quero dizer é que bancos querem destruir a economia do U.S, mesmo perdendo no curto prazo, para colher frutos no médio longo prazo.

[SsjGohan]

Ng é louco pra fazer isso.
E ng tem o poder pra fazer isso.
Pessoal fica inventando teorias de conspiração, quando na real é apenas um bando de retardado querendo mais dinheiro no curto prazo mesmo.
Isso foi o q aconteceu em 2008 e sempre irá existir.